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numb3r_5ev3n ([personal profile] numb3r_5ev3n) wrote2017-02-27 07:04 am

Boomers and the nature of evil.

So, I am mostly posting this here right now because I will probably expand upon it sometime later. So these are basically preliminary notes. Seeing how things have unfolded for most of my adult life, and my conversations with "Baby Boomers" (people born 1950-1965) have made me wonder if Boomers don't understand evil as something a person does, but instead primarily as a visual phenomenon that evokes certain feelings.

Conversations I have had, and certain things I have heard, have been along these lines:

Example #1: My sister and I grew up during the Satanic Panic. My mother shielded us from playing Dungeons and Dragons and related materials until we were teens. We eventually obtained most of the sourcebooks and a subscription to Dragon Magazine.

One day, sometime in 1994 or 1995, my mom asked me why we "read so many evil books." She wasn't a Bible-thumper, though she had gone through a "born again" phase through most of the 1980s that was winding down in the early 1990s. I asked her what she meant - most of the books we had were stories of good triumphing over evil. In particular, I was attracted to Mercedes Lackey's Heralds of Valdemar books and R.A. Salvatore's Drizzt Do'Urden books at that point.

She showed me an issue of Dragon Magazine which we had lying around, which showed a knight in spiky armor fighting a Dragon. It wasn't a traditional romantic Arthurian representation of dragon slaying, but fell in more line with the gritty "grimdark" genre so popular in 1990s media.

I showed her the articles in the magazine - mostly gameplay discussion and dry number-crunching, along with reviews of upcoming TSR products. She wasn't even paying attention. She was looking at the artwork depicted within. "But the art is just so ugly. It's evil," she said. "It just looks evil. Why do you like looking at things that are evil? Why don't you focus on things that are nice or uplifting?"

Example #2: I was reading an article recently of an interview with W.D. Richter, about the evolution of a script which would have been the original version of "Buckaroo Banzai Against The World Crime League." There were apparently four screen treatments presented to the producers, and Across The Eighth Dimension" was the one they ended up going with.

They described the Fu Manchu-inspired villain of "Against The World Crime League" as a being of pure evil and "probably even immortal." One scene described him sitting in a bathtub full of snakes. "See - pure evil!" W.D. Richter exclaims. The context of the article (which I will link later) does not indicate that this is sarcasm.

I'll add examples later as I find them.
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[personal profile] mirrorofsmoke 2017-02-27 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
*Shaking my head*

Evil art? Really? That does not sound evil to me, and from your examples, I think your assumption is correct.

-Vanyel
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[personal profile] worlds_of_smoke 2017-02-27 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that this is totally the case. They can't deal with feeling icky in any way and, since they can't own their feelings, they paint whatever makes them feel icky as "evil".
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[personal profile] worlds_of_smoke 2017-02-28 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that the whole concept can extend into things like their views on homosexuality, race, religion, etc, too. I mean, I honestly think a LOT of homophobes and transphobes get these internal feelings of "EW, I WOULD NOT WANT TO DO THAT". Then, because they haven't been taught out to separate icky feelings from whatever causes them, their instinct is to label whatever made them feel gross as evil. And then they twist their world view to confirm their viewpoint.
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[personal profile] worlds_of_smoke 2017-03-01 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)
That's where I'm not sure. Maybe it's the fact that the media is so heavily involved in our lives. Yes, it reinforced a hell of a lot of the bullshit the Boomers believe, but it also showed us a diversity that opened our eyes.
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[personal profile] sabotabby 2017-02-27 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
That's really interesting.

I can't help but compare it to racism—whether racist is something a person is or something a person does, and why the older generation can't seem to break the idea that a racist is a dude in a white sheet, not your next-door neighbour who voted Trump because he promised to build a wall.
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[identity profile] numb3r-5ev3n.livejournal.com 2017-02-28 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. someone made a similar remark over on DW, so I'm copy posting some of my reply from there, but: but what this is all leading to is, many Boomers look for visual cues and follow visual shorthand, focusing on how things make them feel rather than judging the actual actions of a person, or consequences of those actions. To be fair, this need for visual shorthand may have started back when acts of evil couldn't be explicitly shown "onscreen," in popular media, because of things like censors and the MPAA and the comics code and whatnot. So when you consider the fact that a lot of those "visual cues" of "evil" began as bigoted racially-coded symbols back in the day...
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[personal profile] sabotabby 2017-02-28 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
That makes a whole lot of sense.

[identity profile] siphraniax3.livejournal.com 2017-02-28 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
I'd never thought of it before, but I've been confused by people who do this, who look at a pop star or see someone's clothes, or respond to some other visual cue as "evil". I had an incident with a relative not too long ago who kept describing something as "evil" and I couldn't make head nor tail of what they were talking about, because they were just complaining about some bump and grinding pop star in a skimpy outfit. At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, I saw a girl who wanted attention, and she saw Hitler. I really didn't get it. They don't like the way it looks, so instant evil. There's no nuance at all, no difference between sexy pop star and dude shoving Jews into ovens. It's just weird.